Gay is NOT the New Black and STOP Blaming Black People!
18 November 2008 | By hiphopdemocrat in Change, Political, Social Issues, You Decide
I’m really baffled by the fact the media and everybody else for that matter keep throwin’ black people in this debate over the right of gay marriage. I do agree with the fact that it is a matter of civil right and equality, but I wouldn’t go as far as to say half the things that have been said regarding this issue recently. I’ll touch on two points.
1.) The Black Vote is the reason why Prop 8 Passed.
Now is it just me or does it seem like black folk are being thrown under the bus, used as a scapegoat, or as Stephen Colbert put it starting a “Culture War”. Even tho specific religions raised over $20 Million dollars to support the ban, its primarily the “black vote” that helped pass the measure. That’s ridiculous if our vote alone was that powerful shit would’ve been a lot different in this country a lot sooner. Plus I didn’t see any collection plates being passed in church regarding this law. STOP BLAMMING BLACK PEOPLE.
2.) “Gay is the NEW Black”.
So what am I…The OLD BLACK? I would not shy away from the fact that being gay in America might have its hardships, and its own share of hate crimes. But not being able to get married doesn’t come close to any one of these things I will mention below.
- Not being able to Vote
- Segregation
- Lynching and being hanged
- Slavery
And there are plenty more…I am not at all against the movement that is being presented, but I will say that there are still forms of RACIAL OPRESSION that exist to this day, and yes we have a Black President,
but that does not erase what has happened or what continues to happen in this nation because of race. There is no NEW BLACK, because the problems the OLD BLACK face are still here, and I can’t allow those to be minimized in any way, no matter what the cause. So please don’t be offended as I am a supporter to ALL equal right, but don’t try to erase the current problems that exists in light of NEW problems.
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18 November 2008 | Isis Said:
Peace I been done touched on this read my article here. http://www.wordonthestreetsmag.com/profiles/blogs/isis-blog-to-all-the-white
18 November 2008 | RayRay Said:
Gay is not the New Black. How dare these sick individuals compare being black to being gay. Gay people will not get pulled over for being gay, but let a black man ride by in a fancy car. Our ancestors were killed and brutalize for trying to vote. We can’t change the color of our skin, but you people can or not be gay whenever you feel like it. I suggest you people get together and ask God to rid you all of that
demonic spirit,cause its not but the devil
18 November 2008 | Roberta Said:
The issue of equality for the LGBT community is one of civil rights. There are some similarities to the discrimination endured over “miscegenation” until the Loving case made laws prohibiting interracial marriage unconstitutional. However, the “old black” hasn’t transcended race, so a “new black” is a weak argument. There isn’t a need to make that equation, there are enough compelling reasons on the basis of equal rights that can be employed to enhance arguments in favor of LGBT rights. Unfortunately, the passage of Prop 8 has revealed the underlying racism which pervades a movement run largely by white people. Black folks are not to blame for its passage, but the entrenched homophobia within our community contributes to the reluctance of African Americans to be open about their sexuality. The issue of marriage is about civil marriage and the more than 1000 benefits associated with it and not about religious marriage or education in schools. The education process is important and the LGBT movement will have to overcome its own assumptions about the inability to change the minds of people of color. There is a long history of movements led by whites that have either ignored our people or pushed us aside as we have made gains that they feel they deserve. The women’s movement which supported abolition was one such example. When women did not gain the right to vote at the time that black men did (15th Amendment), the women’s movement joined with former enemies, Southern white women,to advance their cause. Similar animosities existed in the modern women’s movement. The bottom line is that if equal rights are denied for any minority group in the United States, we all suffer. So, no gay is not the new black, but it is time for equal rights for LGBT folks.
18 November 2008 | hiphopdemocrat Said:
Well put….great info, and excellent ideology….I like it
19 November 2008 | Mikey McFly Said:
Look fam, I wont give you a loooon winded answer. First Gay will never be the “new black”. That just sounds dumb and somewhat offensive.. the “new black” WTF?! you can’t blame black folks for prop 8 being passed, just in case they didn’t know we are the only minorities in this country and FURTHERMORE to respond to the post about minority groups… there is a difference. Ethnicity and sexual preference are COMPLETELY different. I dont have a problem with people marrying who they want but you can’t compare 400 years of struggle and mental shackling to the LGBT situation. Granted, rights should be for everyone but i refuse to agree, and why target blacks, Native Americans were slaughtered and given clothes with smallpox during the Trail of Tears, or the Jews in the holocaust. And again just to reiterate, I have no problem with what you choose to do or how you live your life and civil rights are important but identify your struggle as your struggle, trying to get the sympathy nod won’t cut it. Word up
19 November 2008 | PrinceAkeem Said:
Amen to that lmao…cant compare that to the struggles of Black people
19 November 2008 | Richard Sinclair Said:
Gay people have been shackled for over 2000 years. We have been executed under the law for being who we are up until the last 150 years. We have been thrown into mental institutions for who we are. We have been forced to hide from our families who we are. We have less legal rights than black people. We are still regularly beaten and even killed for who we are. Don’t tell me how special it is to be black.
19 November 2008 | PrinceAkeem Said:
im gonna let a veiwer respond to that
20 November 2008 | Mikey McFly Said:
First i made a typo, i meant that we arent the only minorities… And lil Richard Sinclair, how do you do sir, My name is Mikey McFly from a lil town called Reality check….First of all, let’s get this clear YOU CANNOT COMPARE OUR STRUGGLES AT ALL!!!! You’ve been shackled for 2000 years eh? So which Mid Atlantic Passage were all you brought on because of your sexual preference… And Im sure that the LGBT community has had it’s hardships but damn it who hasnt? And like i said before I have no problem with anybodies race, creed, et cetera… But dont come on here talking about all you have been shackled, mentally yea but you know what I was referring to, PHYSICAL BONDAGE, Families being separated from families, which still goes on today with Deadbeat fathers in the black community. Also, You cant always look at someone and automatically tell that they’re gay unlike racism where someone can look at a skin pigmentation and deny you of a job. I wish everybody could sit down and eat together but this is 2008 and things are still in the dark ages… all im saying is this.. Ethnic Civil Rights differ greatly from the issues with Prop 8… and you might counteract with “what about human rights?” what about it, blacks were viewed as 2/3 of a man during a time that we shed blood for during the Civil War….
20 November 2008 | Mikey McFly Said:
If I sound like I’ve been bumping Dead Prez, I apologize but I feel how I feel
20 November 2008 | PrinceAkeem Said:
Mcfly makes a good point. But you failed to mention tht black people arwe still in shackled. some physically in jail unlawfully and we are still in mental shackles…look at our condition and how we treat one another. Black people were stripped of everything when we were forced to america; our religion, language, education, sciences, self-respect, our famnily values. So no, the issues with gays can not be compared.
you dont have to apologize for sounding like you’re bumping dead prez…haha…dead prez was dope lol
20 November 2008 | PrinceAkeem Said:
oh yea…fun fact……Black people and people of color are the MAJORITy in the whole world…so we have to get past the fact that we are the “minority” in america.
20 November 2008 | Mikey McFly Said:
Yes we are the majority.
21 November 2008 | CathrynMarie Said:
I actually agree with Richard Sinclair and feel gays have it hard – they are indeed segregated and now the laws are telling them what they can and cannot do.
When I first saw the picture the other day I was honestly thrown off & just found it humorous but now seeing what they mean by it, I agree. -CaT
06 December 2008 | DJay Said:
No, a gay person won't get pulled over for being gay. But they will get to see messages like "these sick individuals." GAy people CANNOT change. If they could, they would, so that jerks like you don't call them "sick" individuals. Gay people will also get beaten and left for dead, and they'll get fired, taunted and ridiculed. They'll have their rights taken away becuase they are seen as "sick individuals" and the like from idiots like you. So…um….what was your point?
06 December 2008 | Bob Said:
Oh, no. Can't do that. The "struggle of black people" is so special, so unique, that no one, no group anywhere can ever take that specialness away, can they?
We are a proud people, one who's struggle is like no other. No other people ever, ever, EVER had to face adversity, or struggle. Only our journey was uphill. Every one else had it easy.
The Jews, they were pansies. Sure, they were slaves, (enslaved by Africans, no less) but what they went through was NOTHING like what we went through. A walk in the park, they had.
We are special. We deserve to be seen as special, even though we want to be treated as equal, we also want to be seen as special.
Our struggle is like no other. Ever. Anywhere. But treat us the same.
06 December 2008 | HipHopDEMOCRAT Said:
I'm not saying it in the manner that the black struggle is the worse….because obviously jews had there own struggle, women as a whole had there own struggle…I'm saying dont belittle one or blame a culture for everything..
06 December 2008 | Up Yours Said:
I am gay and I will never be black. I wish the black community would stay the hell off the Gay coat tails. Fight your own battles with your own money. The gay community needs to stop including themselves in every thing black.
By the way assholes! nI am Gay, White,Educated, Gainfully Employed and Republican!
07 December 2008 | HipHopDEMOCRAT Said:
I highly disagree with the fact you think the black community is riding the coat tails of the gay community. the whole point is everybody else throwing the black vote in the debate..
08 December 2008 | jason Said:
As a gay man, we (perhaps) use the struggle for the rights of black americans as a metaphor, to our struggle as a minority; not afforded the same rights as every other american. you talk of 400 years of struggle and mental shackling…. i agree, nothing could compare to that. us gay and lesbian people have put up with thousands of years of hate, killings, and a lifetime of hiding. what a shame, we are really all the same
07 December 2008 | jason Said:
umm…. you sound ignorant. lets leave it at that!